Action: Semi auto non-blowback, double action only.
Ammunition Type: 4.5mm BB's.
Ammunition Capacity: 19 round metal stick magazine.
FPS: 410.
Trigger Pull: The trigger pull on both the Umarex XBG and TDP 45 is medium to heavy but since it is a double action only trigger, this is to be expected. There is a fair amount of take up with the entire pull being about 8-9 pounds with the release point happening right at the very back of the pull, you get a bit of a clicking sound warning right before it releases. If you are used to shooting other lower priced double action triggers where the barrel protrudes out of the front of the gun when you pull the trigger then you will know what to expect with these two guns as they are setup pretty much exactly the same.
Accuracy: This part of the review is yet to be determined as I have not done my Field Test or Shooting tests for these guns. I will put a link in here when I have done my official Field Shooting Test. For now all I can go on is some feedback from others which generally claim that these Umarex CO2 BB Pistols get good all around shots per CO2, Accuracy and FPS performance.
Build Quality: The Umarex XBG and Umarex TDP 45 internally share many of the same components and I am assuming they both use many of the same internal parts, they do have much different plastics shells which you will find to have all mechanical parts to be moulded into with the exception of the Trigger, safety and magazine release. Again, most of the build materials are plastic with the exception of some internal parts, the magazines, the barrels and the triggers.
Realism: The Umarex XBG and TDP 45 CO2 BB Pistols are not actual replicas of any specific gun in production, both are styled after modern mid sized semi auto pistols but it is hard to pinpoint any one specific gun for either of them, I am sure you will give me your feedback on this. They do look like real guns but their function is based more around what the easiest way is to build a BB gun rather than how can we make this gun function as close to a real gun as possible. That said they are very efficient and simple in operation which should make them very reliable.
Nice combination of shots per CO2 and FPS (accuracy to be determined).
Universal metal stick magazine works in a bunch of guns, can mix and match.
CO2 tabs are fairly well hidden.
Rails for adding accessories.
Construction screws are less obvious (Smaller).
Tried and true design that works and is reliable.
I like the SA177 style CO2 hatch.
Cons:
Mostly all plastic shell.
Not a lot of actual working parts except for the trigger, magazine release and magazine. All else is molded in to the plastic.
Double action triggers are a bit long and heavy.
No adjustable sights so hopefully yours shoots straight?
Comments:
Personally I prefer spending a few more bucks to get air pistols that have more metal and more working parts, but not everyone has 100+ dollars to spend on an airgun or do they need it to be ultra realistic. Some people just want a gun that is easy on the wallet but still offers decent performance and reliability, and to be honest, a simpler design with less moving parts to wear out or malfunction is probably going to give you better reliability at the end of the day. It just depends what you are looking for. Even if you have a few ultra realistic high end airguns, why not pick eitther the XBG or TDP 45 budged minded Umarex models for day to day plinking and put less wear and tear on your more expensive collector pieces ;)
My Vimeo Video Review for these cost effective Umarex CO2 BB Pistols:
As you know I shoot most of my YouTube videos in my yard and I have mentioned a few times in my Videos that I live on Acreage. So I thought I would do a bit of a tour of my yard and show you what's going on in the back, it may interest some of you local Canada BC Fraser Valley folks interested in another location to play some Airsoft games...
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Getting back to some more gun videos! In this Vimeo Video I take a look at some lower cost 4.5mm BB and 6mm Airsoft pistols. The two ASG guns coming in at right around $60 and the Umarex BB pistols right at around $40. So very affordable guns to say the least.
When it comes to making these replica pistol reviews I tend to stick with the higher end "flashy guns" with all the metal parts and realistic operation. It takes a bit of prodding before I pick up a low cost gun and review it but that does not mean they are not good value for the money. I just personally don't mind spending a bit more money to get more features and quality, but for some people spending over $100 on an airgun is out of the question. Hey you have to start somewhere and at the end of the day a lower cost gun and higher cost gun still both put BB's down range :)
In this Vimeo Preview Video Review I look at four guns, two from ASG (Bersa Thunder 9 Pro and MK1) and two from Umarex (XBG and TDP 45), three are 4.5mm Steel BB shooters (XBG, TDP 45, and Bersa Thunder 9 Pro) one is a 6mm plastic Airsoft BB shooter (MK1). All are predominantly plastic and none of them have blowback operation. The 4.5mm Steel BB shooters all use CO2 with 19 shot stick metal magazines and the ASG Airsoft MK1 uses Green Gas with a 17 round full size drop out metal magazine. The BB pistols all shoot right around 400-410 fps and for the Airsoft pistol I am not sure so we will find out when I do the review for it in a bit...
All of these pistols look pretty decent and as I said for the money, I think you are getting good value here.
Make sure to watch my Vimeo Video Preview to see all this pistols a bit closer up:
I thought I would try some Sport Smoke Tactical Airsoft - Paintball Smoke Grenades (TSG) and show you how they work out in an open area and also when in an enclosed area (indoors). These Tactical Smoke Grenades put out a lot of smoke but will require either a non windy day or an area where the smoke can accumulate to give you good coverage. Either way they do a greta job of causing a distraction that will allow you to get into a better position.
Here is some info on the Sport Tactical Smoke Grenades for Airsoft and Paintball:
The Sport Smoke Tactical Smoke Grenade (TSG) is designed to meet the extreme needs of today's paintball and Airsoft enthusiasts. These high quality smoke grenades are very affordable, producing a thick white plume of smoke to cover your movement and provide a major strategic advantage.
I originally made this Field Test Review Video a few months ago but had to pull it down because it featured two WE Products. The WE AK74-UN and the WE G18C which unfortunately looks a bit like a Glock. If you are not familiar with the video I made on the Glock Trademark Infringement Cease Order I received then you should probably watch that video, it will fill in some of the gaps on why I had to cut out the WE G18C portions from this video and repost it with only the parts that showcase the WE AK74-UN.
Anyways you can still read my Original Field Test Review post minus the video and photos of the WE G18C.
We have been out of the Cybergun Tanfoglio Witness and KWC 1911 styled Blowback BB pistols for w while now and have them on preorder (Still waiting), the good new is we just got in some Cybergun Swiss Arms branded versions which are exactly the same but with teh Swiss Arms licensing on the slide. Same gun same price so grab one while we still have them.
We have the Cybergun Swiss Arms 1911 Blowback 4.5mm BB pistols in both our Canada and US stores.
This gun has been discontinued and is no longer available, but check out these alternatives
Buy a similar gun from the US Replica Airguns Store:
This video is for the people that have been asking me if I workout and what I do to get in shape and stay in shape. This summer when I broke out my signature tank top, I seemed to get a lot more questions and comments about what I'm doing to get and stay lean and in shape. Some comments I had to Google because I had no idea what the terminology meant, in my day we used to call defined muscle as being "toned", apparently it has a bunch of names now like Jacked, Tanked and a few others ;)
Anyways, if you have no interest in fitness and/or health then just ignore this video, I have tons of other Airgun, Airsoft Gun, Blank Gun and other gun related videos you can check out.
Today I hit 20 million views so as promised I picked a lucky winner... You will need to watch my 20 Million YouTube Video Views Contest Giveaway Winner announcement video to find out who won the Cybergun Blackwater BW1911 R2 CO2 Blowback 4.5mm Steel BB Pistol.
Thanks again to all the people who took part in this Contest - Giveaway and for helping me build my YouTube channel to what it is today!
Awesome news, we just hit our 20 million YouTube video views goal so I will be announcing the winner of the Cybergun Blackwater BW1911 R2 CO2 Blowback 4.5mm Steel BB Pistol shortly. We are also getting really close to hitting 40 thousand Subscribers which is double where we where at just back in March of this same year!!
Thanks again to everyone for your support and helping to make this all happen! Make sure to check back for the announcement of the 20 million YouTube video views Contest Giveaway winner :)
You really need to watch my Vimeo Video to see how easy it is to take a brand new out of the box gun and give it that weathered, old, worn and used look that you would find in a classic vintage gun like a Luger P.08, Colt 45 1911 or any other classic firearm. Of course this is something you would do to a new gun that you want to make look old :)
This is a great way to take a gun that already has some wear marks on it and really give it the full worn in look, kind of an alternative to having to touch it up or refinish it.
Here is a hint... I use something magical to do it!
This is kind of a double announcement, first of all we have a couple of 15% off promo items for you, the Umarex Legends Luger P.08 BB Pistol and the ASG Ruger MK1 Airsoft Pistol. The second part of this announcement is that you will need to buy them in our new (up and running in test mode) Replica Airguns Canada Store.
So even if you don't want to buy either of these guns you can still go and checkout our new Canada Online Store located at www.ReplicaAirguns.ca
*The coupon code you will need to use at checkout is P0815%oFF (good till September 1st 2013)
Here are the direct links to both guns offered at 15% off in the new Canada Online Store location.
I managed to get my hands on one more brand new Kimar Lady K PPK 9mm P.A.K. Front Firing James Bond inspired Blank Pistols. This unit is the Matte Black version. They normally come in plastic hard shell cases along with a manual and cleaning rod but this is the last one from my supplier and they did not have the case, manual or cleaning rod for it. This Kimar Lady K blank pistol shoots in both single and double action and field strips just like a real Walther PPK.
To get in on the bidding, simply Email Me Here with your highest bid by no later than Friday August 30th 2013 by midnight. At the conclusion of this Silent Auction I will notify the winner and they will have 24 hours to make payment via PayPal or EMT before I move onto the next highest bidder.
This Rare Blank Gun Silent Auction is open to my Canada customers since we sell Kimar blank guns in the US Replica Airguns store, Canadian Customers will pay an additional $17.99 for Shipping/Handling plus their local provincial sales Tax. Good luck to everyone!
Trigger Pull: The trigger pull on the Umarex Steel Force CO2 BB Machine gun is single action only, so you will need to charge the rifle by pulling back the charging handle first, one this is done the trigger is reset and ready the gun is ready to shoot. The blowback operation charges the internal bolt automatically afterwards so keep this in mind, to release the bolt you will need to take out the CO2 magazine and press the trigger. The trigger is fairly light but has some initial take up and then a bit of creep before it releases the bolt.
Accuracy: I shot the Umarex Steel Force at a target from 30 feet away in a semi rested position using both the semi auto and 6 round burst modes, the Steel Force performed very good getting around a 1.5 inch 10 shot grouping in semi auto and then spreading out a bit in 6 round burst mode which was to be expected, still a respectable grouping. Shots where well centered on the target but I did have the advantage of using a red dot scope, I found when using the none adjustable open sights that come with the Umarex Steel Force that I was shooting under the target at closer ranges. My Chrony testing did not go exactly as planned due to my temperamental Chronograph but I was able to get two shots to read and they average out at 466 fps, well over the 430 claimed fps.
Build Quality: The Umarex Steel Force CO2 BB Rifle is mostly plastic on the outside with most of it's metal parts on the inside, you will find a metal flash hider, metal trigger and metal trigger guard but other than that everything else externally is plastic. The plastic seems durable enough but it has just a bit too much shine for me which I think makes it look less like metal and more like plastic. Everything seemed to function as expected but again I would have liked to have seen a bit more metal, not necessarily the outer shell, but I feel the selector switch, sights, magazine release, charging handle and front and back sights could have been made out of metal and would have given this Umarex rifle a bit more weight and balance.
Realism: The Umarex Steel Force CO2 BB Rifle is designed on the AR platform and for the most part is about the right size shape and look of an AR pr M16 rifle. Even the selector switch, magazine release, rear adjustable stock and Charging handle function just like a real AR! Some parts are model in just for looks like the bolt release, dust cover and forward assist but at least they fully look the part. The plastic for me was the real tell here as it kind of looks like plastic where as some plastic guns are really hard to tell they are not metal, but other than that this is a pretty decent replica of an AR Rifle.
Good accuracy in both semi and 6 round burst mode.
Got lots of shots per dual CO2 (Full Hopper).
Love the adjustable AR stock which was missing and needed on the Steel Storm.
Not a bad replica of an AR platform gun.
Full auto has a very high rate of fire.
Internal blowback does give a bit of recoil feedback feel.
Lots of rials for adding on accessories.
Price point is good for a fun dull auto BB rifle.
Cons:
Sights are non adjustable.
Plastic finish could have been a bit higher grade, like what most Airsoft AR's use.
Just a bit more metal would have been nice and added to the overall weight a bit: Selector, Magazine Release, Sights, Charging handle.
Comments:
The Umarex Steel Force CO2 BB Machine Gun is for sure an improvement over the Steel Storm, first of all it is a true replica of a real rifle in production (The AR/M16 platform), it also has a rear stock that is adjustable which makes shooting this gun on target so much more easier. Overall I feel it shoots better than the Steel Storm with improved accuracy and performance. With that said the Steel Storm is still a great BB machine gun if your looking for more of a pistol SMG design. For the low cost of the Steel Force you really can not go wrong, this BB machine gun will put a smile on your face every time you take it out to shoot it.
My Vimeo Table Top and Field Test Videos for the Umarex Steel Force BB Machine Gun:
As usual with my Field Test Shooting Reviews I test out the Umarex Legends P08 Luger using my Chronograph and put five rounds through it to get a real world average fps. Umarex claims around 410 but I got a bit higher results of 435 using a brand new Umarex CO2 cartridge. The temperature was warm but not hot so there may be room for even up to 450 fps on this CO2 BB pistol Replica.
I decided to step back to the 30 foot mark for my target potion of this review since in my pre-test I was at 20 feet and I got a 1.5 inch grouping. While shooting from a semi rested position at 30 feet back I was able to place pretty much a 2 inch 10 shot group which is very good considering the rather heavy 10 pound trigger on the Umarex Legends P08 Luger BB Pistol. You will want to use a double handed grip with this gun to get good accuracy so you can relax with your trigger hand and grip tight with your supporting hand.
You can expect to get right around 6 really good and consistent magazines worth of shots before having to change the CO2, that is over 120 shots! And even on the last magazine the fps seemed to stay nice and high.
Some people have criticized the heavy trigger on this pistol but I see it as an opportunity to work on your double action shooting since some real world guns have trigger pulls up into the 10 pound range, so you never know what to expect when shooting a new gun. If you can lay down constant shots with the Umarex Legends P08 Luger CO2 BB Pistol then you should have no problems shooting other heavy triggered guns.
Action: Semi auto non-blowback, double action only.
Ammunition Type: 4.5mm BB's.
Ammunition Capacity: 21 round metal stick magazine.
FPS: 410.
Trigger Pull: The trigger pull on the Umarex P08 CO2 BB Replica is rather heavy but since it is a double action only trigger, I did not expect it to be light. There is a fair amount of take up with the entire pull being about 9-10 pounds with the release point happening right at the very back almost touching the trigger well. The release is not very predictable when trying to shoot slow but this does teach a firm yet relaxed grip to get consistent shots. This type of trigger I would consider to be a great double action training aid as it teaches proper grip and trigger control while building stregth.
Accuracy: I shot the Umarex P08 BB Pistol at a target from 20 feet away in a semi rested position, and it performed very good getting a solid 1.5 inch 10 shot grouping that was very well centered on the target. The P08 almost got a 1 inch group with the acceptation of two flyers. The sights are non-adjustable so adjusting the Umarex P08 BB gun is not possible unless using a modified aim point! My initial Chrony testing puts this classic BB replica at right around 430 fps which was higher than the claimed 410, and keep in mind my test day was not a super hot day so there is more room for higher fps with this air pistol. I managed to get six 21 round magazines worth of shots which is a very respectable 120+ shots per single CO2.
Build Quality: The Umarex P08 CO2 non-blowback BB Pistol is almost all metal with the exception of the grips which is always nice to see! I found the fit and finish to be very good with a black-grey-ish satin paint job , I did notice the paint was wearing off kind of quickly on the high points which I don't mind with this airgun since it will give it a more aged look that I feel is more fitting for this classic World War replica.
Realism: The Umarex Legends Luger P08 CO2 BB Airgun is very close to the real steel P08 (Luger) and even has the P.08 markings on it. If you where to put a real P08 side by side they would look like mirror images so in terms of looks this replica gun has it. If you're looking for working parts there are not a lot other than the trigger, magazine release, and safety. But then again there is less to go wrong!
Pretty much all metal and has a nice heavy weight to it.
Accuracy to the original is very good, lots of detail.
Magazine release and safety work like the real version.
Nice wide open recessed barrel adds to the believability.
Good concealment of CO2 cartridge and tab.
Got well over the claimed 410 fps, more around 430 fps.
Got 120 plus shots out of 1 CO2 Cartridge.
Very good accuracy (1.5 inches) and well centered on target.
Glad to see another World War BB replica pistol!
Cons:
No blowback and not a lot of moving parts.
Finish seems to wear off pretty quick on the high points but this may enhance the look for some?
Pretty heavy double action trigger, around 9-10 pounds.
Comments:
There are not too many older Classic Airguns out there from the World War era so it was great to see this one added to the Umarex lineup, now all we need is a Single Action Army Revolver ;) I am glad that Umarex made sure to make this gun look authentic, maybe even perhaps over functionality since there are not a lot of working parts. With that said, everything that does work, works well and you can expect to get lots of accurate and powerful shots from a single CO2. The fps consistency is really good on this one. Being that there are not many World War replica airguns on the market this is a must have for any collector of such guns.
My Vimeo Video Review for this great Umarex Replica P08 CO2 BB Pistol:
I have some more anticipated items from Umarex to show you all, and a special thanks to Bradley from Umarex for sending them my way to review.
If you like the Steel Storm then you should for sure like the Umarex Steel Force, both models share some basic mechanical attributes like semi auto and 6 round burst blowback operation, duel 12 gram CO2 cartridges, 300 round BB hoppers and 30 round spring fed magazines. The Steel Force however is more of a "replica" as it is modeled on the AR platform including an adjustable rear stock which will come in handy taming the high rate of fire 6 round burst mode.
Next up from Umarex is a classic replica of the Luger P08, it's always nice to see some older classics made into BB shooters, it may be the only way some of us will get to experience them and from what I can tell, the Umarex Legends P08 is near spot on! You won't find blowback or even a lot of actual moving parts other than the trigger, the safety and magazine release but this BB gun is all metal and well built, it has a nice weight to it with a firm double action trigger.
My last review item is not a gun but rather a gun accessory, the Umarex T.A.C. Converter which transforms several Umarex pistols into tactical PDW's. The actual models supported are the: HK USP, S&W MP40, X.B.G, CZ Enforcer, Walther P99 DOA and the now retired Umarex SA 177. With the T.A.C. Converter wrapped around your pistol of choice you are all setup with a folding stock and foregrip, not to mention anything else you may want to add onto the rails.
Keep posted for my full reviews of these items from Umarex.
Watch my Vimeo Update Video for these Umarex Products:
We are about to reach another awesome YouTube Channel milestone, 20 Million YouTube Video Views! So I think it's time once again to give something away to my YouTube fans :)
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