As usual with my Field Test Shooting Reviews I test out the Umarex Legends P08 Luger using my Chronograph and put five rounds through it to get a real world average fps. Umarex claims around 410 but I got a bit higher results of 435 using a brand new Umarex CO2 cartridge. The temperature was warm but not hot so there may be room for even up to 450 fps on this CO2 BB pistol Replica.
I decided to step back to the 30 foot mark for my target potion of this review since in my pre-test I was at 20 feet and I got a 1.5 inch grouping. While shooting from a semi rested position at 30 feet back I was able to place pretty much a 2 inch 10 shot group which is very good considering the rather heavy 10 pound trigger on the Umarex Legends P08 Luger BB Pistol. You will want to use a double handed grip with this gun to get good accuracy so you can relax with your trigger hand and grip tight with your supporting hand.
You can expect to get right around 6 really good and consistent magazines worth of shots before having to change the CO2, that is over 120 shots! And even on the last magazine the fps seemed to stay nice and high.
Some people have criticized the heavy trigger on this pistol but I see it as an opportunity to work on your double action shooting since some real world guns have trigger pulls up into the 10 pound range, so you never know what to expect when shooting a new gun. If you can lay down constant shots with the Umarex Legends P08 Luger CO2 BB Pistol then you should have no problems shooting other heavy triggered guns.
Action: Semi auto non-blowback, double action only.
Ammunition Type: 4.5mm BB's.
Ammunition Capacity: 21 round metal stick magazine.
FPS: 410.
Trigger Pull: The trigger pull on the Umarex P08 CO2 BB Replica is rather heavy but since it is a double action only trigger, I did not expect it to be light. There is a fair amount of take up with the entire pull being about 9-10 pounds with the release point happening right at the very back almost touching the trigger well. The release is not very predictable when trying to shoot slow but this does teach a firm yet relaxed grip to get consistent shots. This type of trigger I would consider to be a great double action training aid as it teaches proper grip and trigger control while building stregth.
Accuracy: I shot the Umarex P08 BB Pistol at a target from 20 feet away in a semi rested position, and it performed very good getting a solid 1.5 inch 10 shot grouping that was very well centered on the target. The P08 almost got a 1 inch group with the acceptation of two flyers. The sights are non-adjustable so adjusting the Umarex P08 BB gun is not possible unless using a modified aim point! My initial Chrony testing puts this classic BB replica at right around 430 fps which was higher than the claimed 410, and keep in mind my test day was not a super hot day so there is more room for higher fps with this air pistol. I managed to get six 21 round magazines worth of shots which is a very respectable 120+ shots per single CO2.
Build Quality: The Umarex P08 CO2 non-blowback BB Pistol is almost all metal with the exception of the grips which is always nice to see! I found the fit and finish to be very good with a black-grey-ish satin paint job , I did notice the paint was wearing off kind of quickly on the high points which I don't mind with this airgun since it will give it a more aged look that I feel is more fitting for this classic World War replica.
Realism: The Umarex Legends Luger P08 CO2 BB Airgun is very close to the real steel P08 (Luger) and even has the P.08 markings on it. If you where to put a real P08 side by side they would look like mirror images so in terms of looks this replica gun has it. If you're looking for working parts there are not a lot other than the trigger, magazine release, and safety. But then again there is less to go wrong!
Pretty much all metal and has a nice heavy weight to it.
Accuracy to the original is very good, lots of detail.
Magazine release and safety work like the real version.
Nice wide open recessed barrel adds to the believability.
Good concealment of CO2 cartridge and tab.
Got well over the claimed 410 fps, more around 430 fps.
Got 120 plus shots out of 1 CO2 Cartridge.
Very good accuracy (1.5 inches) and well centered on target.
Glad to see another World War BB replica pistol!
Cons:
No blowback and not a lot of moving parts.
Finish seems to wear off pretty quick on the high points but this may enhance the look for some?
Pretty heavy double action trigger, around 9-10 pounds.
Comments:
There are not too many older Classic Airguns out there from the World War era so it was great to see this one added to the Umarex lineup, now all we need is a Single Action Army Revolver ;) I am glad that Umarex made sure to make this gun look authentic, maybe even perhaps over functionality since there are not a lot of working parts. With that said, everything that does work, works well and you can expect to get lots of accurate and powerful shots from a single CO2. The fps consistency is really good on this one. Being that there are not many World War replica airguns on the market this is a must have for any collector of such guns.
My Vimeo Video Review for this great Umarex Replica P08 CO2 BB Pistol:
I have some more anticipated items from Umarex to show you all, and a special thanks to Bradley from Umarex for sending them my way to review.
If you like the Steel Storm then you should for sure like the Umarex Steel Force, both models share some basic mechanical attributes like semi auto and 6 round burst blowback operation, duel 12 gram CO2 cartridges, 300 round BB hoppers and 30 round spring fed magazines. The Steel Force however is more of a "replica" as it is modeled on the AR platform including an adjustable rear stock which will come in handy taming the high rate of fire 6 round burst mode.
Next up from Umarex is a classic replica of the Luger P08, it's always nice to see some older classics made into BB shooters, it may be the only way some of us will get to experience them and from what I can tell, the Umarex Legends P08 is near spot on! You won't find blowback or even a lot of actual moving parts other than the trigger, the safety and magazine release but this BB gun is all metal and well built, it has a nice weight to it with a firm double action trigger.
My last review item is not a gun but rather a gun accessory, the Umarex T.A.C. Converter which transforms several Umarex pistols into tactical PDW's. The actual models supported are the: HK USP, S&W MP40, X.B.G, CZ Enforcer, Walther P99 DOA and the now retired Umarex SA 177. With the T.A.C. Converter wrapped around your pistol of choice you are all setup with a folding stock and foregrip, not to mention anything else you may want to add onto the rails.
Keep posted for my full reviews of these items from Umarex.
Watch my Vimeo Update Video for these Umarex Products:
We just temporarily dropped the price 15% on the Umarex Beretta Elite II CO2 4.5mm BB Pistol till August 9th so if this Airgun has been on your wish-list then grab one before we run out or the sale ends, which ever happens first...
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Here is a video for you to watch if you need more info on this airgun:
I did want to take the Blackwater BW1911 R2 back a bit further than usual and shoot it from 30 feet out to see what kind of results I would get and got pretty close to a two inch group that was well centered but just a bit under the bulls eye. This is not going to be the hottest gun in terms of fps as my Chronograph confirmed for us coming in at just a bit over 300 fps. I can see this BB pistol hitting the claimed 320 fps and even faster on a hotter test day.
The beauty of the KWC/Cybergun 1911 serious is the true single action trigger and full blowback operation, these airguns look, operate and shoot just like a true model 1911 45 auto but of course with a bit less kick ;)
I did have one hiccup during my testing when the heavy blowback in combination with my high thumb position, knocked the safety into the safe position, other than that this CO2 Blowback BB Pistol performed very well for me and like the other KWC/Cybergun 1911's was a total joy to shoot.
Watch my full Video Field Test Shooting Vimeo Video below:
Here is my official Field Test Shooting Video Review for my ASG CZ 75D Compact CO2 BB Pistol. Make sure to checkout my previous Table Top Review for more detailed info about the ASG CZ 75D Compact where I also did a pre test and got similar results.
My 5 shot Chronograph test resulted in a slightly lower than previously tested 370 average fps while my accuracy test shot from 30 feet out (this time) using a semi rested position came in at right around three inches. For some reason I got a double shot, not really sure why. In terms of shot placement the ASG CZ 75D Compact CO2 BB Pistol shot fairly well centered but just a bit high and a tad to the right. Again I was able to get well over 100+ shots using a single CO2.
The ASG CZ 75D Compact CO2 BB Pistol is about what I expected in terms of performance, I would liked to have seen it be more consistently shooting at around 400 fps but I think I was having some CO2 feeding problems as the fps would drop noticeably when shooting faster, perhaps the CO2 I was using was not the best suited for it? I do like the single action trigger, it is very usable and predictable. The adjustable rear sight for windage is also a nice touch if you find yours is shooting a bit to far left or right.
Action: Semi-Automatic, Non-Blowback, Single & Double Action
Ammunition Type: 4.5mm Steel BBs
Ammunition Capacity: 17 Rounds
FPS: Up to 407
Trigger Pull: The trigger pull on the ASG CZ 75D Compact is fairly light in single action as all the cocking has already been done, when shooting in double action mode, the pull is still fairly light but has a point right before the break where it stiffens up for a moment, not too noticeable when shooting quickly but you may find it more noticeable when shooting slow in double action.
Accuracy: I did do my pre-shooting test and fired off some shots through the ASG CZ 75D Compact airgun at a target from 20 feet away in a semi rested position, it performed well getting a 1 inch group with a few stragglers stretching it out to just under 2 inches fairly well centered on the target. The sights are adjustable for windage in the back so this could be corrected if the gun out of the box is not shooting exactly down the center. My Chrony testing with a five shots resulted in fps ranging from 380 right to almost 400.
Build Quality: ASG as usually only distributes high quality guns, the fit and finish is as nice on the ASG CZ 75D Compact as any other other ASG product, The slide wiggle is virtually nonexistent, one of the best I have seen thus far. I would have liked to have seen a metal slide on this one but even so the gun has decent weight and balance to it coming in at 4 pounds in a compact pistol. There is metal where it really matters like in the trigger, hammer, safety, magazine release and of course many internal parts.
Realism:The ASG CZ 75D Compact is very accurate replica of the real steel version, with full licensed CZ trademarks and even the 9x19 caliber markings in the slide ejection port area. The magazine is full metal and full size and does not have any tell tale CO2 tab sticking out or elongated area hiding it. Again the metal slide would have finished it off.
Well made, fit and finish is very good (slide has zero wobble).
Good combination of power, accuracy and shots per CO2.
Adjustable rear white dot sight.
Full size drop out Metal magazine adds weight to it.
Single and double action hammer trigger.
Recessed barrel.
Accessory rail for add ons.
Cons:
No Blowback action but does have a working slide.
Plastic slide, would have better balance and feel with a metal slide.
Slide catch does not work, moulded in.
CO2 is a bit hard to install - be careful!
Comments:
I am a bit of a blowback guy so I generally don't look as much forward to reviews of guns without blowback, It was however nice that the ASG CZ 75D Compact does have a moveable slide and it has the least amount of wobble out of any gun I have reviewed to date. I was impressed withe the overall performance of this air pistol, nothing stands out but overall it is a nice complete package getting lots of shots per CO2, good fps, good accuracy, a single and double action trigger, adjustable sights, a rail for add ons, a full size drop out metal magazine and it's a rally good overall replica with full CZ licensing throughout. Not bad for a fairly low cost 45.mm CO2 BB pistol!
Action: Semi & full auto, single action only with full blowback.
Ammunition Type: 6mm plastic Airsoft BB's.
Ammunition Capacity: 16 round full size drop out metal magazine.
FPS: 280+.
Trigger Pull: The Single Action Only trigger pull on the Cybergun - VFC Smith & Wesson M&P 9C GBB Airsoft Pistol is kind of what I would expect form the real Smith & Wesson M&P 9C, fairly light with a small amount of take-up and creep but still fairly short. And the trigger safety actually works just the same as the real steel Smith & Wesson M&P 9C!
Accuracy: I have already done my dedicated Field Test Shooting Video for the Cybergun - VFC Smith & Wesson M&P 9C GBB Airsoft Pistol so check out the link here, This very short barreled pistol is not going to win any target shooting contests but it faired well and even shot a bit tighter groupings and higher fps than I expected. Most importantly it worked exactly as it was supposed to without any problems.
Build Quality: The Cybergun - VFC Smith & Wesson M&P 9C GBB Airsoft Pistol is extremely well built and you will find metal and polymer in pretty much the same places as you would find on a real S&W M&P 9C. Fit and finish and quality of materials seems really good, I am really happy with the work VFC is doing with their guns, at least from what I see here with their Smith & Wesson M&P 9C GBB Airsoft Pistol.
Realism: The Cybergun - VFC Smith & Wesson M&P 9C GBB Airsoft Pistol is based on the real steel version Smith & Wesson M&P 9C and I have to say this is one of the most bang on replications of any gun I have seen, you would have to get right up close to tell the difference and only then if you looked at either the magazine or you could see the inner Airsoft barrel. This gun is juts that realistic. There is Smith & Wesson licensing and marking all over this gun and even the white warning instructions on the right side of the slide. Of course this Airsoft Replica Pistol field strips and functions just like the real Smith & Wesson M&P 9C Pistol.
Very good weight and solid feeling gun for being so compact.
Full size drop out metal magazine.
Nice snappy blowback action.
Excellent fit and finish.
Extremely accurate looking and working Smith & Wesson M&P 9C - Fully licensed..
Rear sight is adjustable for windage.
White dot sights for quick target acquisition
Working trigger safety
Fully field strip-able.
Cons:
Comes with an orange tip not required for Canada.
White dot sights need to be install?
Right side slide catch-release is for show only - non-functioning.
Comments:
Overall the Cybergun - VFC Smith & Wesson M&P 9C GBB Airsoft Pistol as I said is really a wonderful replica in terms of realism in looks and function, I wish all Airsoft guns and Airguns paid this much attention to the details. But more than that, the Cybergun - VFC Smith & Wesson M&P 9C is really well put together and even though it is small it feels tuff and well made. I could see myself using this exact pistol as a backup gun for some future Airsoft battles :) I hope to have the opportunity to review more guns made by VFS down the road...
My Vimeo Video Review for the Cybergun - VFC Smith & Wesson M&P 9C GBB Airsoft Pistol:
Action: Semi auto, single action only with full blowback.
Ammunition Type: 4.5mm steel BB's.
Ammunition Capacity: 20 round full size drop out metal magazine.
FPS: 300+.
Trigger Pull: The Single Action Only trigger pull on the Cybergun - KWC Tanfoglio Gold Custom Blowback BB Pistol is what you would expect for a gun made specifically for IPSC styled shooting, it is nice and light with a very short take up and smooth release. Exactly what you would be looking for when wanting to shoot accurately and quickly!
Accuracy: I have already done my dedicated Field Test Shooting Video for the Tanfoglio Gold Custom Blowback BB pistol so check out the link here, I can tell you it shot a very nice tight grouping and stayed on target between shots very well, it also got a bit higher than claimed fps which is always nice for a Blowback steel BB shooter.
Build Quality: The Tanfoglio Gold Custom Blowback BB Pistol is well built being that it is pretty much entirely metal (even the grips), It weighs in at almost three pounds so be prepared for a heavy gun, the tolerances are very good with very little slide slop and the seems are virtually non existent on this air pistol, the golden brown color is unique and I kind of like the way the writing on the gun blends into the color of the gun so it does not stand out too much.
Realism: The Cybergun - KWC Tanfoglio Gold Custom Blowback BB Pistol is based loosely on a CZ 75 styled pistol, Cybergun - KWC has taken some liberties in restyling it to some degree and really made this pistol look the part of a dedicated target shooter. In terms of functioning and looking like a real gun it has it all, full size drop out metal magazine, full blowback operation, full slide lock back and of course it can be field striped if need be.
All metal construction - Good weight and very solid feeling gun.
Full size drop out metal magazine.
Heavy and snappy blowback action.
Good fit and finish.
Well balanced, so even with heavy blowback the gun stays on target.
Light and smooth single action trigger for quick followup shots.
Very Good accuracy, and a bit better than claimed fps.
Come with sight rail for mounting a red dot sight.
Would make a nice entry level IPSC trainer.
Cons:
Does not come with iron sights of any kind.
Not a lot of shots per CO2 about three magazines.
Sacrifice fps and shots per CO2 because of the heavy blowback but worth it.
Need to remove compensator to field strip the gun.
Comments:
Overall the Cybergun - KWC Tanfoglio Gold Custom Blowback BB Pistol is a great gun to shoot, I found it to be one of the nicest balanced guns I have shot to date which allowed me to shoot this blowback BB pistol really quickly and yet stay right on target even with the heavy and snappy blowback operation. I was pleased to see it even come in a bit higher than the claimed fps from Cybergun. The heavy all metal three pound weight and good fit and finish makes this airgun a nice choice if your looking for an action shooter that performs very well.
My Vimeo Video Review for the Cybergun - KWC Tanfoglio Gold Custom Blowback BB Pistol:
I have a near new condition Semi and Full Auto EKOL Jackal Dual Compact Front Firing 9mm P.A.K. Blank Gun up for Silent Auction! It comes in the original plastic hard shell case along with the flare adaptor, take down key and of course a 15 round magazine.
To get in on the bidding, simply Email Me Herewith your highest bid by no later than July 22nd 2013 by midnight. At the conclusion of this Silent Auction I will notify the winner and they will have 24 hours to make payment before I move onto the next highest bidder.
This Rare EKOL Blank Gun Silent Auction is open to my Canada customers since we sell EKOL guns in the US Replica Airguns store, Canadian Customers will pay an additional $17.99 for Shipping/Handling plus their local provincial sales Tax. Good luck to everyone!
You can watch my earlier Review videos for this Front Firing Blank gun here:
All references, photos and video claiming that any item in this review/video looks like a Glock or is a Replica of a Glock in any way shape or form have been removed from this post as requested by Glock "Renzulli Law Firm"
I almost forgot to do my field test review for my WE AK-74UN & WE G18C Tactical GBB Airsoft Pistol and Rifle! I decided to do them both together on this one but I still did my usual full testing for both guns which consisted of my Chronograph, Target and Can destruction along with some high speed slow motion of the blowback action of both guns in full auto mode.
Photo of WE G18C Removed by Request from Glock "Renzulli Law Firm"
Your best bet is to watch my Youtube video and see how both of these WE Airsoft guns perform. Overall they are both rally nice and super realistic, the WE G18C Tactical is definitely the full auto monster here while the AK-74UN is the bull in the China store with its crazy heavy blowback action, it has so much recoil that when shooting in full auto it kind of runs our of steam near the end, not so with the WE G18C as it did not slow down even with the 50 round magazine loaded up!
The WE AK-74UN even with it's crazy recoil holds on target very well in semi and full auto and of course has the superior fps performance. I found when shooting the G18C in full auto, I needed to hold my aim-point low as the blowback and super fast cycle rate wanted to pull the gun up and over my target, same would be true with a real gun so no surprise here.
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I filmed this video Field Test Shooting Review of my Cybergun VFC Smith & Wesson M&P 9C GBB Airsoft Pistol alongside my Cybergun Tanfoglio Gold Custom which I already posted, both guns performed very well for me. I am supper impressed with the realism of the Cybergun VFC Smith & Wesson M&P 9C and was hopping that the testing would prove this Airsoft pistol to be equally as good of a shooter as it is a looker and I was not let down. It's not going to win any awards for super high fps or tight accuracy but it did a nice job overall and most importantly it worked without any problems whatsoever.
I shot this Cybergun blowback Airsoft pistol using .20 gram Airsoft BB's through my Chrony Chronograph and got just under 300 fps which is not bad for such a compact short barreled GBB Airsoft pistol. I also shot 5 rounds first in semi auto at the target from 20 feet out using a semi rested position (resting on a sand bag up front and kneeling in the back) and the S&W M&P 9C shot a respectable 2 inch grouping. When I switched over to full auto and blasted the last 10 rounds it was pretty much a spray and pray but who cares it was fun and if anyone was standing in front of that they where gonna get hit for sure.
I really like the Cybergun VFC Smith & Wesson M&P 9C GBB Airsoft Pistol , not just because it really looks the part, it also feels solid and well built, everything about it seems to be very high quality and the shooting performance is no letdown either. This may even be one of my favorite Airsoft pistols! Look forward to my upcoming Table Top Review for this very fine Cybergun Airsoft Pistol...
As per usual I shot this blowback BB pistol through my Chronograph and actually got a much higher than the 300 claimed 5 shot average fps of 341. I kind of had a feeling right out of the box this gun had more in it! I also shot 10 rounds at the target from 20 feet out using a semi rested position (resting on a sand bag up front and kneeling in the back). Again the Cybergun Tanfoglio Gold Custom Blowback BB Pistol performed very well shooting a tight 1 inch grouping. When I free handed it and rattled off the remaining 7-8 rounds left in the magazine the grouping only widened to about 2 inches, this may be in part to the heavy weight and good balance and stability of the Cybergun Tanfoglio Gold Custom.
Since this 4.5mm Steel BB pistol does not come with any iron sights, you will need to purchase a red dot, I was fortunate enough to find a very nice silver matchup at my local surplus store that worked out well with this airgun. The magazine does claim to hold 18 rounds but 17 is a bit better fit, I was able to get off three magazine s before the CO2 fizzled out. One of the nicest traits this guns has to offer is the very smooth, short and light single action trigger which in part I am sure helped me get that 1 inch 10 round grouping. Another factor that may help the accuracy of the Tanfoglio Gold Custom is the fact that even though the blowback is decent, the 3 pounds of steel holding this airgun in place keep movement to a minimum.
All in all this is a really great IPSC styled BB shooter with a unique and ultra modern look, kind of like a CZ 75 on steroids you could say. It shot very nicely for me and even performed better than claimed and better than expected. Although I did have an idea this CO2 Blowback BB Pistol was going to impress!
I received some review BB and Airsoft guns and as I often like to do, I made a quick Update Vimeo Video for you. This way I can show them off real quickly so you get at least a bit of a taste of what's in store...
Below are the guns I show you in todays Update Video!
We have added some items to the Canada and US Replica Airguns Stores, most are completely new items and one is a Canada only item we added to the US store!
I wanted to cover some basic Airgun, Airsoft Gun, Blank Gun and Paintball Gun information on what do they all shoot, what makes them shoot and some other miscellaneous info thrown in along the way...
Your should also watch the video attached at the bottom of this post as it goes into a fair amount of detail.
Let's begin with the types of ammo used:
Airgun Ammo
Airgun ammo for the most part is broken down into BBs and Pellets, the most standard size BB and Pellet is the 4.5mm or .177 caliber Steel BB and Lead Pellet. You can also get Pellets in other calibers and even other materials other than lead such as steel or aluminum, some can have plastic skirting around a metal interior.
Pellets also come in a variety of caliber's like .177, .20. 22. 25 and even larger but then I would start considering them to be bullets as they will take on the shape of a bullet when they get into the larger sizes.
Airgun Ammo is not be fired at people, it is primarily used for target and hunting small game.
Airguns can use Spring Pistons, CO2, Compressed Air and Multi-pump propulsion systems.
Airsoft Gun Ammo
Airsoft Guns for the most part shoot round 6mm (.22 caliber) plastic BBs which come in a variety of weights ranging from .12 grams up to .48 grams. There are larger Airsoft BBs such as 8mm and even larger.
There are biodegradable and even tracer florescent Airsoft BBs available.
Airsoft Ammo is traditionally used for Airsoft battles and can be fired at people using protective gear. Airsoft Ammo can also be used for target shooting.
Airsoft Guns can use Spring Pistons, Spring Piston - AEG (Electric Motor) CO2, Gas (Green, Red, Propane) and Compressed Air propulsion systems.
Paintball Gun Ammo
Paintball Guns or "Markers" have been historically used for the sport of Paintball but their whereabouts came from the need of ranchers and forestry workers to mark trees. Hence the name "Marker"
Paintball ammo comes in a variety of sizes ranging with the most common being .43 and .68 caliber. They are generally made from a gelatin outer coating containing primarily polyethylene glycol, other non-toxic and water-soluble substances, and dye, they are usually biodegradable.
Paintball Guns can also shoot a variety of Paintball Ammo that can be made out of Rubber, Plastic, Glass and they can also contain Powders and even Pepper for use in non lethal defense.
Paintball Guns can generally use either CO2 or Compressed Air as their propellant.
Blank Gun Ammo
Blank Guns are just like Real Guns but without the dangerous bullet at the end of the brass shell. Other than that they work exactly the same as a Real Gun!
Blank Guns are used when a bullet is not required or even wanted. For instance... Gun safety, gun training, training animals to be around guns and/or loud noises, Props for Movies - Stage - Film - TV, Collectors that do not want the red tape associated with owning a Real Gun or when owning a Real Gun is prohibited.
Blank Guns can shoot a variety of sized ammo, most common are .22 caliber crimped, .380 crimped, 8mm P.A.K. and 9mm P.A.K.
Blank Guns use gun powder as their means of operation.
Here are the most common forms of propulsion used in the guns we discussed earlier:
CO2
CO2 is the most common propellant in Airguns (BB and Pellet), it is also used in Airsoft Guns and Paintball Guns.
CO2 is a compressed gas which expands when released, it requires a warm environment to fully expand and tends to cool it's surroundings quickly when shot fast or in full automatic which can slow the velocity of the projectile and even freeze up the gun being used.
The most common reusable CO2 cartridges are 12 and 88 gram but you can get larger CO2 tanks in a variety of sizes that can be refilled with CO2.
Gas
Gas is used primarily in Airsoft Guns, I have not personally seen an Airgun that is made to use Gas other than CO2.
Gas is similar to CO2 in that it is a compressed gas that expands when releases, it also cools down the gun it is being used in and requires a warm environment.
Gas comes in a variety of names, Green Gas, Red Gas and Propane Gas. Green Gas contains Propane as it's base but has additives in it like silicone for lubrication .
Red Gas is know to be a bit more powerful than Green Gas as it has Chlorodifluoromethane or HCFC-22, R22 or Freon 22 used in refrigeration which turns to a liquid under a slightly higher pressure giving you slightly higher fps.
Many people use propane gas with an adapter that allows the mixture of silicone as propane is cheaper to buy.
Compressed Air (HPA)
Compressed Air (HPA - High Pressure Air) is most commonly used in Airguns and Paintball Guns but some people use it for their Gas based Airsoft guns.
The compressed air comes from high PSI tanks that can be purchased in a variety of sizes and contains compressed air at pressures up to 5000psi.
These tanks are reusable and usually need to be refilled at a paintball or scuba shop, some people buy their own compressors or large scuba tanks for refilling purposes.
Some Compressed Air (HPA) guns have their own built in tanks that can be filled with a compressor or even a manual pump.
Compressed air does not cool down the gun it is being used in and is a great option for high output or fully automatic guns.
Multi-Pump Pneumatic
Multi-Pump Pneumatic systems are most commonly used in Pellet and/or BB guns.
Multi-Pump Pneumatic guns use the same principle as HPA - High Pressure Air guns in that they require pressurized air as the propellant. The main difference with Multi-Pump Pneumatic guns, is that you do all the work by pumping the gun between shots. Generally speaking you pump the gun 3-10 times, take a shot and repeat this process.
Multi-Pump Pneumatic guns are not effected by air temperature and are great for target and small pest control.
Spring Piston
Spring pistons are generally found in Pellet Rifles and Pistols but some Airsoft Guns also use a Spring Piston System and generally speaking Spring Piston Guns are single shot only or in other words, the Spring needs to be drawn back before each shot. Spring Piston Guns can have magazines that allow for quicker repeat shots.
Spring Piston Guns come in many cocking configurations, Brake Barrel and Side lever to name a couple.
The Spring can be a Mechanical Spring or a Gas Spring.
Spring Piston Guns are not effected by temperature and are often used for small game hunting and target shooting.
Automatic Electric Guns (AEG)
Automatic Electric Guns are generally found in Airsoft Rifles but there are some Airsoft Pistols (AEP) that use this same system.
Automatic Electric Guns use a similar system to a Spring Piston gun but have an electric motor that does all the work of drawing back the spring. You can even have fully automatic AEG guns.
The power for the electric motor comes from removable batteries, so it is a combination a battery supplying the motor with the power to draw back the spring that creates a pillow of air that shoots the BB.
AEG Airsoft Guns are great for situations when you require high capacity magazines with full auto capability.
Gun Powder
Gun powder is used in Blank Guns, in the same manor that it is used in a Real Gun, the charge from the Gun Powder supplies the force required to operate the blowback in most semi auto Blank Pistols, it also creates the sound of a live round along with the muzzle flash which makes Blank Guns great for training and as Props for Movies and Film.
Because the kinetic energy from a blank gun is the same as a real gun, blank guns can be very dangerous when used in close proximity to an object, see my "Are Blank Guns Dangerous Video"!
Some other Gun Relevant Terminology:
Blowback
Blowback operation is when some of the force of the propellant is used to move the slide backwards, which in most cases cocks the hammer for single action and can also pickup and chamber a round into the barrel.
The slide spring supplies the energy for the return to the forward position of the slide.
Blowback Guns do rob some power from the bullet force and in the case of CO2 or Gas Guns the also reduce the amount of shots per CO2 or Gas fill.
Revolver, Semi Automatic
Revolver: Revolvers feed ammunition via the rotation of a cartridge-filled cylinder, in which each cartridge is contained in its own ignition chamber, and is sequentially brought into alignment with the weapon's barrel by a mechanism linked to the weapon's trigger (double-action) or its hammer (single-action)
Semi Automatic: semi-automatic pistols use the energy of one shot to reload the chamber for the next. Typically recoil energy from a fired round is mechanically harnessed. After a round is fired, the pistol will cycle, ejecting the spent casing and chambering a new round from the magazine, allowing another shot to take place immediately.
Single Shot, Repeater, Semi Automatic & Fully Automatic
Single Shot: A Single Shot Gun needs to be reloaded each time it is shot.
Repeater: Repeating action Guns are single barreled guns containing multiple rounds of ammunition. These rounds are loaded from a magazine by means of a manual or automatic mechanism, and the action that reloads the rifle also typically re-cocks the firing action. The term repeating rifle is most often applied to weapons in which the next cartridge is loaded by a manual action, as opposed to semi-automatic rifles, in which the force of one shot is used to load the next.
Semi Automatic: A semi-automatic, or self-loading, firearm is a weapon that performs all steps necessary to prepare the weapon to fire again after firing.
Fully Automatic: A Gun that uses either its recoil or a portion of the gas propelling the projectile to remove the spent cartridge (in the case of a gun-shell), fire again repeatedly, as long as the trigger is held down or until the magazine is exhausted. Automatic Guns are distinguished from semi-automatic Guns in their ability to fire more than one shot in succession once the trigger is pulled.
Single-Action (SA): trigger performs the single action of releasing the hammer or striker to discharge the firearm each time the trigger is pulled.
Double-Action (DA): The trigger both cocks and releases the hammer or striker
SA-DA: A SA/DA firearm combines the features of both mechanisms. You can pull the trigger in Double Action when the hammer is down which cocks and releases the trigger or you can cock the hammer with your thumb and then release the trigger using Single Action to fire the weapon.
Lever Action, Pump Action, Bolt Action
Lever Action: In a classic lever-action firearm, rounds are individually loaded into a tubular magazine parallel to and below the barrel. A short bolt is held in place with an over center toggle action. Once closed, the over center action prevents opening solely by the force on the bolt when the weapon is fired. This toggle action is operated by a hand grip that forms part of the trigger guard. When operated, a spring in the tubular magazine pushes a fresh round into position. Returning the operating lever to the home position chambers the round and closes the breach.
Pump Action: With a pump-action firearm, the action is operated by a movable fore-end that goes backwards and forwards to eject, extract, and chamber a round of ammunition. Pump-actions are usually associated with shotguns.
Bolt Action: The bolt opens and closes the breech end of the barrel and contains the firing pin. The bolt is held in place with a lever that fits into a notch. Moving this lever out of the notch will release the restraint on the bolt, allowing it to be drawn back. An extractor removes the spent cartridge, which is then ejected through the lever slot. A spring at the bottom of the magazine pushes up the reserve rounds, positioning the topmost between the bolt and the chamber at the base of the barrel. Pushing the bolt lever forward chambers this round and pushing the lever into the notch locks the bolt and enables the trigger mechanism.
Magazine vs Clip
Magazine: A magazine is an ammunition storage and feeding device within or attached to a repeating firearm. Magazines can be removable (detachable) or integral to the firearm. The magazine functions by moving the cartridges stored in the magazine into a position where they may be loaded into the chamber by the action of the firearm. The detachable magazine is often referred to as a clip, although this is technically inaccurate.
Clip: A clip is a device that is used to store multiple rounds of ammunition together as a unit, ready for insertion into the magazine or cylinder of a firearm. This speeds up the process of loading and reloading the firearm as several rounds can be loaded at once, rather than one round being loaded at a time. The term "clip" is also frequently used to refer to a detachable magazine, though such usage is incorrect.
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Type: Airsoft GBB Pistol. Manufacturer:WE. Model:G18C. Materials: Metal & plastic. Weight: 1.7 pounds (776 Grams). Barrel: 4.5 inches, smooth bore. Propulsion: (GBB) Gas Blowback. Action: Semi & full auto. Ammunition Type: Airsoft 6mm Plastic BB's. Ammunition Capacity: 25 rounds. FPS: Up-to 380 with longer barrel attached. Trigger Pull: The trigger pull on the WE G18C is very nice and light since the blowback action does most of the work pre-cocking the action. There is a built in and working trigger safety like you would find on a real steel NAME REMOVED with about a quarter inch of take-up leading to a very light and crisp release.
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Accuracy: Out of the Box the WE G18C shot great rather well for me when I did my pretest from the 20 foot mark, I found the WE G18C was dialed in pretty decent and shot very close to the bulls eye, maybe a hair to the left which is good since the sights are non adjustable. I shot a very respectable 5 shot 1.5 inch group in semi auto which opened up a great deal when I shot the remaining 15 rounds but at least they all seemed to stay pretty much on the paper which is not bad considering how much this gun jumps around in full auto.
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Build Quality: The WE G18C Airsoft seems to be well made, and you will find lots of metal parts where they need to be, again similar as what you would find in a real NAME REMOVED. Fit and finish is nice but I did have an issue with the gas tube when I first got mine, it broke rendering the gun inoperable, a quick swap out with a new gas tube and all is well and so far after a number of magazine worth of shots the WE G18C is still working well and the new gas tube is holding up.
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Realism: WE has taken some liberty with the markings on their WE G 18C copy, they are similar to what you would find on a real NAME REMOVED but not actually the same, as longs as you don't look too closely you will most likely be fooled into believing it's a licensed NAME REMOVED! As for how the WE G18C is built and how it operates, you will find it's a dead ringer to a real steel NAME RMOVED and even breaks down exactly the same. Reviewed by:Replica Airguns.
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Pros:
It's a NAME REMOVED Replica!
Lots of metal in this gun similar to a real NAME REMOVED.
Kind of licensed similar to a NAME REMOVED.
Semi auto & full auto selectable :)
Very solid blowback kick.
Field strips just like a NAME REMOVED.
Very good accuracy and power even with the shorter barrel installed
Comes with two barrels, one for use with the suppressor to increase fps for Canadian import.
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Cons:
No real sight adjustments.
Had a problem with the Gas Tube cracking almost right out of the box.
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Comments: I have heard many people say they love WE products and then there are some that claim they are not all that well made! Other than my issue with the cracked gas tube, my WE G18C is holding up well and is working nicely, I think some earlier WE products lacked some refinement which may have led to problems but from what I have heard as of late, WE has stepped things up and is making a better product these days. My WE AK74UN is a testament to this as it is built like a tank and has tons of real stamped steel all throughout. Getting back to the WE G18C Airsoft GBB, it's really fun to shoot with it's amazing blowback and for a GBB pistol it shoots pretty hard and finds the target with easy.
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My YouTube Video of the WE G18C Gas Blowback Airsoft Pistol:
I have already done a pretest for the Umarex Walther P99 CO2 Blowback Airsoft Pistol while making my Table Top Review and it shot right around the 333 fps mark, but it was a colder day then. I also shot my Umarex Walther P99 DAO from a much closer 20 foot distance for the pretest and got a respectable 2 inch grouping.
On the actual Field Test Shooting day it was much warmer (tank top weather ;) and so as would be expected, this time my Umarex Walther Airsoft P99 shot a bit quicker at right around a 356 fps average, shooting 10 rounds through my Chronograph. I would expect to get even more fps on an even hotter day as it was only about 22 degrees Celsius or about 72 Fahrenheit on this test day.
Accuracy from 30 feet out was pretty close to my pretest 20 foot testing if you exclude the two flyers but again the Umarex Airsoft P99 version was shooting a bit to the left which unfortunately can not be adjusted other than changing my sight position on the target. I would think the trend to the left will only increase as we shoot further out but this gun is really best suited for close quarters shooting anyways and should have no problems right up to 50 feet shooting a man sized target..
You can expect to get around 100 shots or a good 6 full 15 shot magazines from Umarex Walther P99 CO2 Blowback Airsoft Pistol which should get you nicely through a CQB match without having to change CO2 cartridges. For being a rather low cost Airsoft gun, it did perform well enough for me on this day, keep in mind it does have a firm long pull double action only trigger so really fast shooting will take it's toll on your trigger finger ;)
Watch my Field Test Shooting Video for the Umarex Walther P99 CO2 Blowback Airsoft Pistol:
